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Andy
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Username: Andydrew
Post Number: 336
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 05, 2009 - 03:45 pm: | 
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One more week until the full-power analog stations shut down. Per the President of the United States 'there will not be another delay'.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-291261A1.pdf
(Message edited by andydrew on June 05, 2009) |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 170
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 01:39 pm: |
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There's going to be a lot of shuffling around in LA. Some in San Diego might pick up some of the VHF stations (KABC 7, KCAL 9, KTTV 11, and KCOP 13). At least for a short time. Unfortunately, there are approved construction permits locally for channels 7 (K63EN/K07YK) and 9 (KSDX-LD). UCSD_TV K35DG is requesting to move to channel 11.
KDTF-LP (Telefutura 36) filed this past week a STA request to move to channel 51 on June 12 in digital.
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?contex t=25&appn=101316146&formid=911&fac_num=13022 |
JoeM
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Username: Joem
Post Number: 65
Registered: 09-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 10:28 pm: |
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What's a STA ?
Also at the bottom:
"...HOWEVER, KDTF-LP CANNOT COMMENCE DIGITAL SERVICE UNTIL A PROPOSED GRANT LIST IS ISSUED,NO OBJECTIONS ARE RECEIVED BY THE COMMISSION, AND A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT ISSUED. THE TIMING WILL MEAN THAT IT WILL BE WELL AFTER JUNE 12, 2009 BEFORE KDTF-LP CAN TRANSMIT IN DIGITAL..." |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 171
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 10:40 pm: |
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SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORITY (STA)
The STA for KDTF is asking to be allowed to go digital on June 12, and basically take care of the bureaucracy later. It's just an application. It still needs approval by the FCC.
Those with approved construction permits (CP) cannot transmit until they file, and are granted a "Licence to Cover" or are granted some sort of STA.
(Message edited by sandog on June 06, 2009) |
Brian
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Username: K6sti
Post Number: 1
Registered: 06-2009
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 08, 2009 - 07:02 am: |
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"Some in San Diego might pick up some of the VHF stations (KABC 7, KCAL 9, KTTV 11, and KCOP 13). At least for a short time. Unfortunately, there are approved construction permits locally for channels 7 (K63EN/K07YK) and 9 (KSDX-LD). UCSD_TV K35DG is requesting to move to channel 11."
This might help:
http://ham-radio.com/k6sti/vhftv.htm
Brian |
Mike
Intermediate Member
Username: Mfabel
Post Number: 50
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 01:06 pm: |
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Brian - Great info. Right now I have rabbit ears in my attic in Escondido and get marginal results with Ch 8 and Ch 10. I do not have much room for a big antenna, so this looks like it may work well for me.
One question - the article mentions construction is with 3/8" aluminum elements. Am I correct in assuming these elements are aluminum tube as opposed to rods, or does it matter? Where can you get the aluminum tubing?
Mike |
Brian
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Username: K6sti
Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2009
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 01:13 pm: |
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Hi Mike. Use tubing because it is much lighter. You might try Escondido Surplus Sales on Mission. They may have a small amount of aluminum tubing. I think there is an even better place that specializes in metal over that way, but I can't remember its name. I think it's also on Mission.
Brian |
Patzo
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Username: Patzo
Post Number: 14
Registered: 04-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 01:52 pm: |
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Go to http://www.industrialmetalsupply.com/location/san-diego.htm They have 3/8" OD perfect for making antennas. It's sold in 12' lengths but you may ask to buy per foot. Don't forget to heat with a propane torch before bending around something round. Before adding this single-element Yaggi for VHF and VHF/UHF combiner I also had some troubles receiving Ch 8 and 10 when my GH10 antenna was pointed to Mt. Wilson so I had to rotate it for reliable reception of VHF.
patzo
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Andy
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Username: Andydrew
Post Number: 337
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 07:42 pm: |
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Revised per new FCC document that Holl_ands posted...
Per the FCC, the following stations will be broadcasting analog transition information (Nightlight) on their analog TV stations:
San Diego
KNSD 39 until 6/26/2009
Los Angeles
KCBS 2 until 7/12/2009
KNBC 4 until 6/26/2009
KTLA 5 until 6/26/2009
KWHY 22 until 6/26/2009
(Message edited by andydrew on June 12, 2009) |
Andy
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Username: Andydrew
Post Number: 338
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 07:50 pm: |
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Just in case you are not paying attention, tomorrow is the day.
Analog gone for full power television stations after midnight tonight and throughout June 12th - I stand corrected - at least I didn't get blasted for buying a Power Q
Finally!
(Message edited by andydrew on June 11, 2009) |
holl_ands
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Username: Holl_ands
Post Number: 2140
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 08:32 pm: |
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FCC recently said transition can take place ANYTIME on 12 June:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-09-47A1.pdf
So expect L.A. stations to come (DTV) and go (Analog) thoughout the day,
so rescan early....and often....
Deadline is midnight as Friday changes to Saturday.
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FWIW: A post in L.A. AVS thread said:
"Once again (from an earlier post--thanks to the OP):
According to their FCC filings:
Between Midnight and 6 AM: 24, 28, 56
Between 6 AM and Noon: 4, 7, 18, 30
Between Noon and 6 PM: 2, 5, 9, 58
Between 6 PM and Midnight: 11, 13, 22, 34, 40, 44, 46, 50, 52, 54, 62, 63
63's booster, from which most of their viewers got their
analog signal, keeled over earlier this week and won't be repaired.
KJLA (57), of course, took the plunge in February. Their
translator on 33 is still on the air, and will need to go away
to make room for 40. (Anybody know if 40 really is jumping to 33
on Friday? Or are they staying on 23 for awhile longer?)
According to that graphic from the Channel 9 news story last month:
2 - 1:00 PM
4 - 6:00 AM
5 - 10:45 PM (note the discrepancy with their FCC filing)
7 - Noon
9 - 1:00 PM
11 - 11:45 PM
13 - 11:45 PM
(those are the only channels they listed)"
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Here's the L.A. AVS thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=191672&page=162
(Message edited by holl_ands on June 11, 2009) |
Héctor Servin
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Username: Nightwalker
Post Number: 49
Registered: 09-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 08:38 pm: |
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Andy:
Are you sure that tonight is the deadline of analog broadcasting? I have in mind that tomorrow is the last day, you know "day zero" or "día cero" in spanish. Like February 17 was the last day for some of the analog tv stations in San Diego and other areas run until 11:59 p.m.
Just to make sure. |
Andy
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Username: Andydrew
Post Number: 340
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 08:40 pm: |
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holl_ands corrected me. I had older information - FCC revised their information on June 2nd per the link that holl_ands posted above.
FCC must have figured out that it was going to be impossible for dozens of stations in LA to shut down analog and move digital at exactly the same time.
Interested to see if a channel moving their digital signal to another frequency that is already occupied will wait until the previous one shuts down before turning up!
(Message edited by andydrew on June 11, 2009) |
holl_ands
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Username: Holl_ands
Post Number: 2141
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 09:00 pm: |
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FCC also released a revised "Nightlight" list, dtg 11Jun (today):
http://www.fcc.gov/DA-09-1303A2.pdf
Note end dates vary...
Wow, what a flurry of releases on the www.fcc.gov website...it's WAY
above "normal"..... |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 172
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 - 09:54 pm: |
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XHAS-DT, 33.1, D34, appears to have increased power significantly improving reception.
Looks like we might see a new digital station by Saturday. The STA for KDTF-LP (mentioned previously) is approved. Telefutura D51 (36.1), From Mount San Miguel, 12.4Kw.
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facili ty_id=13022
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=7 10840&formid=346&q_num=5110 |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 175
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 01:15 pm: |
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Analog KUSI (TV-51), and KPBS (TV-15) are now a thing of the past. Not sure when they flipped the switch. |
William Pritchett
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Username: Sdphoto
Post Number: 173
Registered: 02-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 02:25 pm: |
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CH-39 still hasn't flipped the switch at 2 PM today. |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 176
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 02:30 pm: |
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San Diego's full power TV transition is over. KNSD TV-39 is now providing analog nightlight service until June 26. |
Dave Onate
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Username: Cokeswigga
Post Number: 17
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 02:55 pm: |
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Los Angeles update:
KCBS 2.1 is now on 43
KCBS 2 Analog is still on showing DTV info
KNBC 4.1 is still on 36
KNBC 4 Analog is still on showing DTV info
KABC 7.1 is on 7
KABC 7 analog is off-air
KTTV 11.1 is still on 65 (off-air 11:15pm)
KTTV 11 analog is still on (off-air 11:15pm) |
Dave Onate
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Username: Cokeswigga
Post Number: 18
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 02:56 pm: |
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I am interest to hear about people in san diego recieving KABC.. |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 177
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 03:07 pm: |
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KSDX-LD is now on air Telefutura on 51-1, Univision on 51-2. No station IDs showing. |
Jay
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Username: Jay214128
Post Number: 222
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 03:10 pm: |
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KPBS-TV was off-air at 2:00AM this morning. KDOC-TV was showing DTV info at that same time.
I receive KABC-TV (7) great (except when KFMB-DT was also broadcasting on channel 7). KABC-DT is spotty due to cochannel interference on channel 53. After the transition, KABC-DT should be solid again on channel 7 until the low power station on Mt. Soledad starts up on channel 7. I then expect KABC-DT to be a thing of the past.
Cochannel interference is also the bane of KCBS-DT, KCAL-DT, KTTV-DT, KCET-DT, KPXN-DT, KOCE-DT, KDOC-DT, and KLCS-DT. If they would only turn off those low power stations on Mt. Woodson that would help a lot. |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 178
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 03:30 pm: |
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Jay KABC already made the switch at noon today.
Dave,
I get nothing from Clairemont using indoor silver sensor. Before the switch KABC-TV 7 was very snowy. I'm sure some with outdoor antennas will have better results. |
Don-RB
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Username: Donrb
Post Number: 3162
Registered: 08-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 06:08 pm: |
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A silver sensor attenna is only designed for UHF frequencies I believe. A larger gain VHF antenna pointed north should pick up the VHF LA channels in many areas especially north county and near the coast. |
Jay
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Username: Jay214128
Post Number: 224
Registered: 06-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 07:11 pm: |
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I just did a bit of channel surfing when I got home and discovered that KPXN-DT is now broadcasting in 720P "HD" for their ION television channel. It is extremely bit starved. KPXN-DT also has 3 other 480i SD subchannels. |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 179
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 07:17 pm: |
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Sorry, I have a Terk HDTVa, which comes with an amplifier and extendible anthennas for VHF. |
Andy
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Username: Andydrew
Post Number: 341
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 07:22 pm: |
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More updates:
KCAL is now on VHF 9, 9-1. Good reception here in Tijuana by the coast 18.5 SNR with outdoor VHF antenna.
KABC is now on VHF 7, 7-1. Excellent reception here in Tijuana by the coast 26.8 SNR with outdoor VHF antenna.
Many analog stations still broadcasting in LA (per the posted schedule in a post above). 11.1 is down at the moment - must be working on switching over. Many of the independents are still broadcasting analog.
KSWB 69 analog has some type of no-signal projector icon on the screen.
I am also seeing XHAS-DT, 33.1, UHF 43 coming in very strong. I think SNR around 29 or 30. 90%+ on my signal meter.
Very exciting. I'll post more updates tomorrow after everything shuts down/moves. Not sure if everything that changed will be turned up at full power or whether we will have to wait a few days.
(Message edited by andydrew on June 12, 2009) |
Andy
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Username: Andydrew
Post Number: 342
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 07:26 pm: |
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Urgh - re: revised nightlight - was hoping that KWHY-TV 22 was not going to do nightlight. Really want that one gone so I may be able to get 57-1 from Tijuana. At least it's only until 6/26/2009!
Nightlight list updated again on 6/12/2009 at noon: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-291375A1.pdf
(Message edited by andydrew on June 12, 2009) |
David Tanny
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Username: Hipman27
Post Number: 10
Registered: 10-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 07:59 pm: |
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51.1 is showing Univision17 and 51.2 is showing Telefutura. It's probably KDTF-LD, owned by Entravision San Diego.
(Message edited by hipman27 on June 12, 2009) |
Andy
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Username: Andydrew
Post Number: 343
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 08:16 pm: |
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Not getting 51.1 or 51.2 here in Tijuana by the coast. Power must be too low. Are these broadcasting on UHF 51?
(Message edited by andydrew on June 12, 2009) |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 180
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 08:27 pm: |
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Yes, KDTF-LD is on UHF 51, from Mount San Miguel, 12.4Kw power, and transmitting Univision 51.1 and Telefutura 51.2. They started at around 3:00 PM today. |
Andy
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Username: Andydrew
Post Number: 346
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 08:34 pm: |
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Jo - What kind of signal strength or SNR are you getting on 51.1? What part of San Diego are you in? |
David Tanny
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Username: Hipman27
Post Number: 11
Registered: 10-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 08:42 pm: |
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I'm in the line of sight of Mount San Miguel, so I'm surprised that I can get a 12.4k-watt UHF digital from five miles away. |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 181
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 08:47 pm: |
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On my Samsung TV I get 6 to 7 bars for KDTF. Compared to KNSD which gets 8.
On my computer FussionHDTV card:
Channel 51 is 25.3 db
Channel 40 (KNSD) is 29.6 db
I live on Clairemont Mesa Blvd a few blocks west of I805. |
Andy
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Username: Andydrew
Post Number: 347
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 08:56 pm: |
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I'm 12 miles or so from Mt. San Miguel - maybe too far for that power level with 2EDGE reception? Anyone in Imperial Beach getting 51.1?
TVFool says it's supposed to be 36.1. Co-channel warning with KXLA-DT UHF 51 44.1 though.
(Message edited by andydrew on June 12, 2009) |
Héctor Servin
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Username: Nightwalker
Post Number: 50
Registered: 09-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 09:18 pm: |
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Those low power channels have 51-1 and 51-2 as virtual channels? No wonder why KUSI-DT is now showing 18-1 as the virtual channel.
One thing to have in mind about those signals must be the radiation pattern pointing somewhere else but south to reach Tijuana. So, that could be an issue to us trying to receive these channels. I did a re-scan minutes ago and i don´t get them, too bad.
On the other hand, now i get a straigh signal on XHAS-DT 33-1, i´ve saw some works on their tower and they remove the older antenna affecting analog viewers for some time last week, and now they place another antenna on the same spot at the top of their tower and now i can get both analog and digital ch 33. I think that they´re combining both signals, because i didn´t see another antenna array and they removed the low power DT antennas they were using since february.
As fot the new DT antenna array on the top of the analog tower of Televisa, i don´t know if they´re using it now. I don´t see any improvements about the reception of XHUAA-DT, i´m still having a hard time to get a straight signal. |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 182
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 09:32 pm: |
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This is what KDTF filed to get channel 51. There's a coverage map toward the end of the document.
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=7 10840&formid=346&q_num=5110 |
David Tanny
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Username: Hipman27
Post Number: 12
Registered: 10-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 10:38 pm: |
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Does anyone know if KDTF analog 36 has shut down? |
Don-RB
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Username: Donrb
Post Number: 3164
Registered: 08-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 10:55 pm: |
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What about the Mexican based analog TV stations like XETV(6) and 49?
Are they staying on the air after today since they don't have to follow the FCC rules for the analog shutdown? |
David Tanny
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Username: Hipman27
Post Number: 13
Registered: 10-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 12, 2009 - 11:22 pm: |
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The Mexican stations will stay on until the SCT of Mexico tells them when they can do so. |
Don-RB
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Username: Donrb
Post Number: 3165
Registered: 08-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 12:22 am: |
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Yeah I can still pickup up analog VHF channel 12 from Mexico, also 49.
Not sure about analog channel 6 - is XETV still broadcasting their VHF 6 analog channel separate from the channel 23 digital HD 6-1? |
Brian
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Username: K6sti
Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2009
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 05:49 am: |
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"I am interest to hear about people in san diego recieving KABC.."
KABC-DT is fine at 70 on my Tivax STB-T8. I am using a CM 4228 with a CM 0064C mast preamp with the VHF jumper enabled. I'm on a hilltop in San Marcos.
Brian |
Michael Scott
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Username: Mikeyts
Post Number: 2869
Registered: 08-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 07:16 am: |
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Don-RB: "Yeah I can still pickup up analog VHF channel 12 from Mexico, also 49. Not sure about analog channel 6 - is XETV still broadcasting their VHF 6 analog channel separate from the channel 23 digital HD 6-1?" I recall Gary Stigall saying that they had no plan to stop their analog broadcast or to broadcast some other Spanish-language product (the rumor he was addressing). They're now carrying the analog TV Guide On Screen datacast.
This Union-Trib article from February says:
quote:As the largest English-language station in Tijuana, the station decided to extend its analog broadcast to benefit Mexican viewers.
I'm not sure what specific benefit Mexican viewers derive from an English-language broadcast, though of course many speak fluent English, but there it is . Maybe, like the Spanish-language material carried on cable here are of benefit to native Spanish speakers living in the US, it will benefit native English speakers living in Mexico.
"Think of the cable company as a group of terrorist (sic)." -- hookbill
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Gary Stigall, XETV
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Username: Garys
Post Number: 498
Registered: 12-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 07:58 am: |
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2.8 miles ENE of Mt. Soledad in San Diego, I receive on a circa 2005 Sony CRT TV and Create 50-1200MHz log periodic antenna aimed NNW:
STATION CHANNEL S/N
KABC 7 23
KTLA 31 23
KNBC 36 23
KPXN 38 19
KWHY 42 20
KCBS 43 19*
KAZA 47 21
KOCE 48 20
Biggest surprise: KABC with KFMB 8 less than 3 miles away (though in null). KCBS received with high error rate, presumably co-channel from local LPs. Channel 13 just not here even though analog was received in the past. Is Qualcomm on 13 now?
I suspect I could do much better with a more directional UHF.
Gary Stigall
Dir. of Engineering
Bay City TV - XETV
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Gary Stigall, XETV
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Username: Garys
Post Number: 499
Registered: 12-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 08:19 am: |
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No plans to change the transmissions of XETV for now. We do have a surprisingly large number of viewers in Mexico and FM listeners who enjoy the analog service.
Gary Stigall
Dir. of Engineering
Bay City TV - XETV
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Andy
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Username: Andydrew
Post Number: 348
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 08:46 am: |
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Regarding a couple more LA stations that changed to hi-VHF
9-1 KCAL - strong enough to receive with my TV tuner as posted above, not strong enough to receive in my media center PC with the 2-way splitter in the tuner card
11-1 KTTV FOX TV tuner not finding. |
Minchuan Huang
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Username: Hmc
Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2009
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 08:51 am: |
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Any one receives 11-1 KTTV ? |
JoeM
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Username: Joem
Post Number: 67
Registered: 09-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 09:06 am: |
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David Tanny: yes, analog 36 is shut down, but analog 17 is still on.
Gary Stigal: What's a "Create" antenna ?
Andy: 51.1 signal reception is more stable this morning compared to last night. Probably just weather effect. Should be stronger when days are sunny. |
Tom Wellman
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Username: Sdtom
Post Number: 355
Registered: 01-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 09:13 am: |
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Thanks Gary, I love listening to Seinfeld at night on 87.7FM while in my car driving around. Keep analog 6 alive!!! Love it.
Cable Provider: Time Warner Cable (North San Diego County, in Carlsbad)
TV: 40" Sony BRAVIA KDL-40s4100 LCD HDTV.
Set Top Box: Motorola DCH 6416 HD DVR connected via 6' Apple HDMI cable.
TV: 32" LCD HDTV from Sylvania
Set Top Box: Motorola DCH6200 HD Set Top Box connected via 6' Apple HDMI cable.
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Gary Stigall, XETV
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Username: Garys
Post Number: 500
Registered: 12-2002
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I've had the Create CLP-5130-1 log periodic antenna now for nearly 20 years, and rebuilt it last year to fix some corrosion build-up. It's expensive and 50-ohms (so you have to feed it through an impedance matching "minimum loss attenuator" for TV viewing), but industrial strength and useful for ham radio. It's only moderate gain, but enough for most purposes, and good for 50 - 1200 MHz.
See http://www.cd-corp.com/cma/clp5130.pdf
Gary Stigall
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Bay City TV - XETV
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David Tanny
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Does KBNT 17 plan to have a DT signal on channel 25 in the near future? It's odd seeing KBNT on the .1 channel of the KDTF-LD while KDTF itself is on the .2 instead of the .1 channel. |
Brian
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"(so you have to feed it through an impedance matching "minimum loss attenuator" for TV viewing)"
Gary, connect the 50-ohm feedline directly to a 75-ohm receiver. You'll get only 0.2 dB of mismatch loss. If you use a min-loss pad, you'll get 5.7 dB of loss.
Brian |
Andy
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Not getting 51.1 or 51.2 today either. Re-scanned of course. |
Gary Stigall, XETV
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Brian, I tried connecting directly to my 75-ohm distribution system, but the reflections ruined analog TV reception, and it doesn't help FM noise either. I might be able to get away with it with the newer DTV chips, but the system works fine now.
Gary Stigall
Dir. of Engineering
Bay City TV - XETV
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Jo
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The interesting thing about KBNT filing for channel 25 is that the transmitter location is from Mount Soledad. They must have made a deal with the owners of KGTV (McGraw-Hill).
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?contex t=25&appn=101317546&formid=401&fac_num=4035
Does that mean that McGraw-Hill has given up on using channel 25 for their Azteca America channel? They have two pending applications for channel 25 and 39. Maybe, they'll move Azteca to 39. |
Brian
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"I tried connecting directly to my 75-ohm distribution system, but the reflections ruined analog TV reception"
Really. I guess that means the match was not so good at the antenna itself. Otherwise, reflections at the receiver would just travel back up the line, get reradiated, and disappear.
Long ago I knew some engineers at KNBC TV in L.A. One of them used to complain about the 1.05 SWR (or something similarly low) they couldn't get rid of on the hardline running up to the batwings. Sure seemed innocuous to me, but maybe it was enough to cause a little transmit ghosting.
Brian
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Jesus Labastida
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KBNT mentioned on their news, they will be broadcasting their digital signal on Ch 36.1, while KDTF will be on 51.1
Maybe they want to use ch 25 for La Jolla area, like they did with KNSD-LP 62 analog in the past. They may have an agreement.
I don't know. |
Jo
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Hopefully the application means that Entravision has plans to convert Univision and Telefutura to HD in anticipation of the 2010 World Cup. Hard to tell with this struggling company that's been threatened to be delisted from the NYSE.
http://www.nyse.com/about/listed/lcddata.html?ticker=evc&fq=D&ezd=1Y&index=5 |
Andy
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Seems that KTTV 11.1 FOX from LA is only broadcasting at ERP 15Kw. They have an application with the FCC to boost to 115Kw.
People in Orange County are having trouble picking it up so likely impossible in San Diego until the power is boosted. |
Kevin E. Davis
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Well, the transition has passed, and it did not improve my reception. It's a good thing I don't rely on broadcast as the primary way to watch television (I have Cox cable).
I live in North Park in a two-floor condo. Downstairs I have a powered rabbit-ear antenna with a UHF disk attached to a Sony TV. I do not get ABC or CBS at all, and the other stations are not fully reliable.
Upstairs I have a tuner card in my computer attached to a monopole telescoping antenna. I get all but ABC, with the other stations being mostly reliable.
I used to get ABC both upstairs (reliably) and downstairs (sporadically) until they changed frequencies a few months ago.
The stations I am talking about are from San Diego or Tijuana. I have never been able to get LA stations.
I called the FCC hotline that I read about, but the guy who answered didn't know what he was talking about.
I am also toying with the idea of getting an attic antenna, but I don't think I want to spend the money just for something I use to impress guests or to record TV shows on my computer so I can watch them on my laptop or iPod.
Yes, I HAVE rescanned numerous times, so that is not the issue. |
Patzo
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The LA stations are about 100 miles away, you'll need some serious antenna (see my old and new UHF antennas below), even the best amplifier cannot help without it. 
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Jo
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Kevin,
I'm the only person in San Diego exclusively OTA since about 1999. You're absolutely correct that digital reception can be difficult especially with an indoor antenna. I have several including a coat hanger and cut-open coffee can reflector. There's only a small spot on my apartment where I can get every station in the San Diego area and also sometimes KTLA. For me its just fun. My friends still don't know what to think about the coffee can. I tell them it's art. |
Héctor Servin
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Andy:
Do your DTV receiver can check the signal strengh of every channel? Did you check ch 51 to see if you can get, at least, 1 or 2 bars (weak signal but not enough to lock it or display it).
I´ve checked that on my HDTV tuner that i have in my living room and it doesn´t get any bars (and neither on my HDTV set in my bedroom), like it doesn´t even exist. I´ve saw the intended coverage map on the link above and it shoud cover Tijuana well with 12.4 kW E.R.P. |
Brian
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"I'm the only person in San Diego exclusively OTA since about 1999."
I removed the cable and coiled it back on the utility pole when I bought my house in 1994. I like OTA mostly because it is fun to play with antennas and satisfying when you get good reception. But also because it is free.
"People in Orange County are having trouble picking it up so likely impossible in San Diego until the power is boosted."
I get 11 fine in San Marcos. But after June 12, KCET-DT is no longer watchable. I didn't have a problem when they were on their old channel. Anyone else having this problem?
Brian |
Jo
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KCET is co-channel with XHJK-TV on channel 28, with ERP of 155KW. They have a pending application to maximize power at 1000kw.
There are other stations with pending applications to maximize (KABC 7 ERP now 25kw, want 28.7kw, KTTV11 15kw/115Kw). KCOP 13 is approved for 120kw but their post transition facility was 13.4kw
I'm guessing those changes if approved should take some weeks to complete. I remember reading about traffic restrictions on Mount Wilson. |
Andy
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Héctor - my tuner doesn't even see 51.1 when scanning. They just fired it up a couple of days ago so maybe we need to give them some time. |
Héctor Servin
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Well, all right man.
Everyday i dial directly ch 44 to see if XHBJ-DT is on the air, so as now on ch 51 on my HDTV tuner to get these two new signals. |
Steve Carter
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Newbie here, who thought he was ready for digital.
I am on Fire mountain Oceanside, on top of the hill and north facing.
I have a CM4228 (8 bowtie), CM 7777 mast mounted amp, Dishnetwork vip211 (HD satellite and OTA tuner) and Sharp LC37D90 (has HD tuner but using the one in the satellite reciever)
Up until last week I was recieving mainly LA stations (2,4,5,7,9,11,18,24,28,30,50,56,58)
Now I have lost 7,9,11,18,28.
I see a reason for losing 11.1 but losing 18.2 (KSCI/LA18) is the biggest loss for me. My wife is Japanese and has now lost her favourite TV station.
http://www.la18.tv/Landing/Default.aspx?PI=1019
I thought I was getting digital tv (picture was great and 5.1 sound)
Why would turning off the analog affect my digital reception? |
Don-RB
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[ Why would turning off the analog affect my digital reception? ]
Because many of the stations moved their digital channel to the old analog channel's frequency, like from a UHF channel to a VHF channel. This will affect reception and you may need a different type of antenna(s) for the new frequencies for some channels now. Some you may not be able to pick up from your location if they are broadcasting at lower power now too. |
HDTV@92120
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Steve: "Now I have lost 7,9,11,18,28. I see a reason for losing 11.1 but losing 18.2 (KSCI/LA18) is the biggest loss for me."
All switched RF channels. 7, 9, and 11 went to vhf so you may require a new antenna. 18 and 28 probably are experiencing co-channel interference.
BTW I'm in La Mesa and I lost KCBS channel 2.1 due to channel 43 (HSN) analog interference.
I still get 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 just fine.
Sony KP-57HW40 / Sony KD-30XS955 / Sony 32" LCD / Panasonic TC-26LX20
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Jo
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Welcome Steve,
KSCI channel 18 is co-channel with KUSI. I'm guessing that could be the reason for loosing it. KSCI-DT used to transmit on channel 61.
For the VHF stations you might need to supplement your set-up with a vhf antenna. But as I mentioned before some stations have not maximized power levels. It will probably take some weeks for that to happen. |
Héctor Servin
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Steve:
The detail now is that KTTV-DT is now on ch. 11 broadcasting with a low E.R.P. and KSCI-DT is now broadcasting on ch 18, co-channeling with KUSI-DT 18. How unfortunate for your wife, and i started to like that channel too (18-2) because it started to broadcast anime there (the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, besides others). In my work i can get many L.A. channels including that, next week when i get back to work i will see what channels i can be able to get after the relocation of many of them. |
Brian
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"KCET is co-channel with XHJK-TV on channel 28"
Thanks for reminding me about this, Jo.
I just measured the relative signal levels of KCET and XHJK, beaming each, and they are within a couple dB. I guess my antenna needs better F/B until KCET raises power. I am thinking of removing it from the roof and putting it on the L.A. side of my stucco house to shield it from signals to the south. I have noticed that San Diego stations are really down indoors, presumably due to the wire within the stucco.
Brian |
Gary Stigall, XETV
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It appears as though co-channel placement of stations in LA and San Diego/Tijuana is just something we will have put up with. The 91XG UHF antenna sold by Antennas Direct and others will give you sufficient back side rejection to allow viewers in North San Diego County to be able to receive stations from whichever market you choose. We have viewers in Oceanside and Carlsbad who have used it successfully to receive 23 from Tijuana with the presence of the two DTV stations to the north. The smaller 43XG might work, too, though I don't have any feedback about it. The 4228 definitely will NOT work to isolate stations. It should work just as well for receiving KSCI or KUSI on 18 or KCET or XHJK on 28.
Gary Stigall
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Bay City TV - XETV
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holl_ands
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Brian, did you get my Private Message re your Hi-VHF Yagi???
[Does PM even work anymore???] |
Brian
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Thanks for the info, Gary. I have a single-channel Yagi for channel 24 I found years ago at a ham swap meet. Maybe I'll cut it down for KCET.
I get XETV, XHJK, and KUSI fine beaming south. Nothing on 23 to the north or northwest. Maybe XETV is taking it out off the rear. 18 is there toward L.A., but just above threshold.
Brian |
Jay
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I'm in Mira Mesa and can get KABC-DT, KCAL-DT, KTTV-DT (weak), KCOP-DT. KTTV-DT and KCOP-DT do seem significantly weaker than their previous analog broadcasts on the same channels. This should improve when they turn up the power. I expected to lose KSCI-DT (and I did). KCBS-DT is as hard to get as KCAL-DT used to be due to the same co-channel problems with ch43 on Mt. Woodson. Same goes for KOCE-DT and KLCS-DT (ch48, ch41). KCET-DT is now very hard to get due to cochannel interference. I hope this improves when KCET turns up their power. I can also get the new 51.1 and 51.2, but have no interest in those. I'm really looking forward to KTBN-DT relocating from channel 23 to improve reception of XETV-DT. |
Steve Carter
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Wow - Thanks for so many quick responses.
Ok, so I loose a few channels as they move from UHF to VHF, fine, I will live without them. I have a 2 1/2 year old who entertains me so who needs TV?
So to seperate LA 18 from San Diego 18 then I need a unidirectional antenna (91XG UHF).
May I please ask a newbie question?
When I have that antenna on the roof, what does the forum suggest on aiming it. (this is a question that must been asked and answered many times).
I am an electronics engineer (hardware on chip test equipment) but have recently had to give up my spectrum analyser. I don't suppose a scope could seperate UHF from everything else.
Are there rental options on signal strength meters? I hate to buy something I only need once.
Please direct me your favourite "this is how you aim it - idiot" web site. |
holl_ands
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Your DTV or CECB should have a built-in Signal Quality meter. |
Andy
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Steve, I assume you rescanned on your tuners? No one has mentioned that. If you have not rescanned your tuner is still trying to pick up these channels on their previous transmission frequencies. |
holl_ands
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Brian: I see you've accessed the charts.
I just added the 4nec2 files. |
Steve Carter
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Just to be sure I wasn't crazy I re-scanned on both tuners - the satellite reciever and the TV built in tuner - same result |
Micawber
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Many years ago, I put up an antenna to get KVCR, KCET, KOCE and KLCS. I am pleased to see that I can still see these with my UHF antenna. Also KCBS and KDOC. In San Marcos at 610 feet ASL.
99.5% Dark Matter
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JoeM
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Steve:
As a temporary measure, have you tried to get analog 48 (1 channel though, not the 6 or so subchannels). |
Jo
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KDTF-LD D51 is now mapped 36.1:Univision, and 36.2:Telefutura. |
JoeM
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36.1 and 36.2 also seemed to have increased their power but are showing a black screen right now. |
Jo
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I noticed the black screen in some occasions. I thought it was due to multipath or interference from KXLA-DT... I hope the game tomorrow morning (USA vs Brazil) doesn't go dark like the one last Sunday (MLS: Chivas vs Crew). By the time the picture came back, the game was over, and the team that was loosing won the game (Crew)... My prediction for the game: Brazil 2, USA 0. Sorry but our team is not good enough. I'll still root for them. |
JoeM
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I've had a black screen on 36.1 and 36.2 ever since 10 pm last night and all this morning. I just called KBNT and they said both of their digital stations were transmitting video, wonder what's wrong ?
Jo (or anybody else), do you have video on these stations ?
(Message edited by JoeM on June 18, 2009) |
Jo
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Strange problem...
My Samsung DTB-H260F, and DTT901 receivers have black screens. I re-scanned both, they pickup the PSIP 36-1 and 36-2 designations but no picture. The signal strength indicators show good steady signal. I tried with the antenna amp. on and off. Also by connecting the antenna directly to the boxes and as I usually have them connected via 4 way splitter.
My Samsung TV LN32A330J1D and FusionHDTV5 Lite PC card work well on those channels with antenna amplifier turned on and off.
My antenna is a Terk HDTVa going to a four way splitter. Cable length from antenna to splitter approx. 24ft. The Length of cables from the splitter to the loads is no longer than 5ft. each.
I also tried a dtvpal plus. It shows a picture but has trouble decoding audio. It does this on some channels (weaker ones usualy from Mexico). That's why I don't use it.
Comments?
(Message edited by sandog on June 18, 2009) |
David Tanny
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My Sharp TV is getting digital channel 51's pictures, but no audio. |
daranman
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I'm getting a similar problem for 36-1 and 36-2 for different receivers. I was able to boost the signal doing some antenna gymnastics from a Terk TV50 to get a 70 signal on a dtvpal (actually a TR-40) and get a good picture, and start up of audio, which cuts out about a second after tuning. On my Dish Network VIP-622, I get good signal, but no picture or audio. Through my computer card, I get both just fine.
I think that they may need to tweak the signal. |
Jo
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I wrote to KBNT/KDTF about the problem on 36-1/36-2. Their prompt response:
" One of the reasons why you can’t see KDTF-LD 36-1/36-2 could be that the station is a Low Power, the provisional antenna at this moment have a very narrow beam , and is pointed to Chula Vista Ca, in about two weeks we will receive and install the proper antenna with more coverage (it’s in the building process), So very soon you will get it." |
Héctor Servin
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Ok, so now i know why i don´t get those channels in my neighborhood, i believe that with the proper antenna they´ll boost their ERP to 12.4 to improve their coverage area. I`ll wait to see that. |
JoeM
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Jo:
1) Did the person who responded to your inquiry state their title or position ?
2) If you don't mind, could you specifically state what you asked the person (so that I can better understand the context of the person's answer) ?
3) Did you tell the person about hdtv.forsandiego.com ? |
Jo
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from Jose Sevilla <jsevilla@entravision.com>
to "*****@gmail.com"
cc Alberto Mier y Terán <amieryteran@entravision.com>,
Sonny Cavazos <scavazos@entravision.com>,
Manuel Rojo <mrojo@entravision.com>
date Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 12:51 PM
subject FW: Problem with KDTF (36.1,36.2) digital signal
hide details Jun 19 (3 days ago)
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Follow up message
Hey *****.
One of the reasons why you can’t see KDTF-LD 36-1/36-2 could be that the station is a Low Power, the provisional antenna at this moment have a very narrow
Beam , and is pointed to Chula Vista Ca, in about two weeks we will receive and install the proper antenna with more coverage ( it’s in the building process),
So very soon you will get it.
From: Alberto Mier y Terán
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:31 AM
To: Jose Sevilla; Manuel Rojo
Cc: Sonny Cavazos
Subject: FW: Problem with KDTF (36.1,36.2) digital signal
Fyi. Please respond to this person. Thanks!
Alberto Mier y Terán
Vice President & General Manager
KBNT-17 Univision / KDTF-36 Telefutura
5770 Ruffin Road,
San Diego, CA 92123
(858)-503-6535 (direct line)
(858)-435-1503 (fax)
www.kbnt.com
From: [*****@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:28 AM
To: Alberto Mier y Terán
Subject: Problem with KDTF (36.1,36.2) digital signal
Hola,
This is for the engineering department. There appears to be a problem with some receivers decoding this signal as noted on this forum (below),.
http://hdtv.forsandiego.com/messages/1/7546.html?1245430070
Regards,
J
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JoeM
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - 01:28 pm: |
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Thanks for responding, Jo.
I think they may have missed the point, if they specifically read your June 18, 2009 - 10:12pm post, or daranman's for that matter. Using a "very narrow beam" transmitting antenna would result in non-reception of 36.1 and 36.2 in certain areas for ALL receivers, where analog 36 might previously have been receivable. In my location, the currently received signal strength appears to be at about the same level as the previous analog 36 was (so I don't think they're transmitting at 12.4 K Watt yet).
I have the Zinwell, Venturer STB7766G1 and RCA DTA800B1 boxes and none of these display the 36.1 video. CECB's use the most advanced receiver circuitry, so it's quite a mystery that only the DISH boxes seem to receive the video yet most TV's and computer cards reportedly do fine !
We do know that there didn't seem to be a problem until about the time that they mapped 36.1 to Univision and 36.2 to Telefutura. Maybe they messed something up while doing so. Maybe if they remapped it to what it was previously, we might get the video back. They can try this now without waiting 2 weeks.
If the problem is interference from KXLA-DT (which I haven't ruled out), then the increased power and new antenna will help. |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 196
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 09:44 am: |
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KNSD TV-39 turned off their analog transmitter on June 26.
KVEA-DT channel 39 was approved to raised power to 1000 kw. on Mt. Harvard (File No.:BPCDT-20080620ANU ). |
JoeM
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Username: Joem
Post Number: 76
Registered: 09-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 07:43 pm: |
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I don't know what they did or when but when I turned on my CECB at about 7:15 pm they had the video back on 36.1 and 36.2 !
Actually, both channels had somehow disappeared from my box's channel list. When I added it (rf 51) manually, they appeared with video.
(Message edited by JoeM on July 02, 2009) |
Jo
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Username: Sandog
Post Number: 198
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 09:44 pm: |
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I see KDTF-LD added MyTV13 on 36-3 (480i). |
JoeM
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Username: Joem
Post Number: 78
Registered: 09-2005
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I think that's great ! Channel 49 is the weakest analog UHF station that I get from south of the border and I usually get grainy video on it.
Although its been 2 weeks, the KDTF-LD signal is at about the same level as before so I don't think they've got the new equipment online yet. When they do, it looks like they will quadruple the coverage that they had before with analog 36. |
daranman
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Username: Daranman
Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 04:20 pm: |
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It looks like KDTF did tweek the audio on its digital signals on 36. I now get full audio on 36-1, 36-2 and 36-13 on my TR-40, as well as my Dish Network VIP-622, which also get the video signal. The audio is still a little strange on 36-13, it sounds too separated, vs. centered. Still waiting for my Tivo-HD to scan in 36.
All I ask for now is a boost in signal on 6-1 and/or 8 and 10 for my location in Mission Valley. Being in the middle between Soledad and Mt Miguel using an indoor antenna makes it challenging to maximize the number of stations I get. |
JoeM
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Username: Joem
Post Number: 80
Registered: 09-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 02:56 pm: |
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Jo, this friday it will be 4 weeks since KDTF's email response to your email(s). Over half the time I get pixels on 36-2 because of the weak signal. Since you've already established contact with them, could you please ask them at what date they expect to have the new antenna installed and be at full power. |
JoeM
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Username: Joem
Post Number: 114
Registered: 09-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 01:50 pm: |
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Glad to see that channel 36.x now has Guide data.
Weird thing is while MyTV13 (36.13) has program titles in English, the program description is in Spanish !
(Message edited by JoeM on September 27, 2009) |
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