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Jesus Labastida
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Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post

I live in Pacific Beach, and last night I scanned my converter and was able to get ch's 36.1, 36.2 and 36.13 (Univision, Telefutura and MyTV13) I hope this is a permanent increase on their power, in that way, we can watch those channels without cable.
 

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Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post

How recent had you scanned before that? I'd been getting good signal for months, but admittedly PB would be a little harder to get that signal.

I expect there will be two other digital transmissions from Mx as early as Jan 1 (start of their next transition period) so I keep wondering what the next shakeup of cochannel / adjacent channel / piggybacking (subchannel) is going to look like.
 

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Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post

I scan my converter every week or so. My friends in Kearny Mesa have been able to watch it, but not me in PB. Now it's clear. However, my DTV in my living room, is not able to get it yet.
 

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Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 08:51 am:   Edit Post

Don Kitchen wrote: "I expect there will be two other digital transmissions from Mx as early as Jan 1 ..."

Care to give details on this ?
 

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Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post

In Mexico the third transitionary DTV period starts January 2010. It should cover commercial and non-commercial stations in areas greater than one million in population.

http://www.cft.gob.mx/wb/Cofetel_2008/Cofe_calendario_de_transicion
 

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Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post

Just about every mexican station that converted this year did it earlier than expected (the list that has actual channels listed has them all in 2010). But yes, I was referring to the next transition period that starts Jan. There are a few that didn't convert, XHTJB (universities are on a different schedule), XHBJ didn't either.

That doesn't mean they will start broadcasting, it might be years, it only means they might, now that the new period has started.

Jo: It's 1.5M for noncommercial. I don't know how they qualify, wikipedia says there was a 2005 census below 1.5M.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 05:46 am:   Edit Post

Hey guys:

Are there any news about the ERP and coverage area improvements on KDTF-DT 36?
 

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Posted on Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post

I haven't seen any of the three digital Ch 36.x stations for at least 2 days, wonder what's wrong. If it's down for repairs, I hope they fix the audio levels for Ch 36.1 (Univision) and 36.13 (MyTV13) , which seem higher than all the other stations (36.2 audio levels seem to be OK though).

(Message edited by JoeM on January 14, 2010)
 

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Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post

Currently no reception in Clairemont. Looks like it's off air. The signal strength meter doesn't show anything.
 

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Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2010 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post

Where is the broadcast antena for these channels (36.1, 36.2 36.3) at?
They dont show up on listings in tvfools, antennaweb, fcc maps, etc.
I'd like to get them to, but knowing where they transmit from would help ;-)
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Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2010 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post

If you Google KDTF, you will find more info.
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Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 12:17 am:   Edit Post

It looks like they're starting to get an intermittent signal on the air. Hopefully it won't be too long. That transmission seems to be one of the more fragile ones around here lately.
 

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Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post

The Univision, KDTF, and MyTV13 (36-1, 36-2, 36-13) signal originates from Mt. San Miguel, same as 15-1, 39-1, 51-1 and 69-1 but it's a low power station.
 

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Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post

used to received them nice and clear (channels 36.1, 36.2 and 36.13), but 2 months ago I lost contact...can get them anymore...I Live near the Mexico Border in Otay area...any news in this matter?..
 

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Posted on Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post

It appears KDTF completed building their digital facility. They filed for a license to cover their construction permit (2/5/2010). However, the coverage map on the second link shows your area should be covered.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Applica tion_id=1356037

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS_Attachment/getattachment.jsp?appn=101286353& qnum=5110&copynum=1&exhcnum=1

http://www.univisionsandiego.com/contacto.php
 

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Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post

Thanks for your quick response Jo, and all info included...funny thing it is that I used to receive 36.1 univision, 36.2 telefutura and 36.13 mytv13 before...so, according to the info of license, do channels 36 are up and running now?, at least mytv13?...another doubt related to this, it is that right now channel 51 is occupied by KUSI-HD...., do you receive all of them?
 

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Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post

KUSI-HD is actually on channel 18. The 51-1 is a virtual indication part of PSIP. The FCC requires stations to display a their old channel identification. Therefore, KUSI uses 51-1 instead of 18-1, and KDTF-LD uses 36-x instead of 51-x. The government didn't want to confuse the public. Maybe they were afraid grandmas would riot if they couldn't find their favorite soap opera on the dial.

KDTF-LD's signal strength/quality has always been good for me living in the Clairemont area. I'm using a Terk HDTVa indoor antenna for reception. From my location I receive all locals (except for KSDX on channel 9), the Mexican stations, and sometimes KTLA and KNBC. With an outdoor antenna I'm sure I could get a few more.
 

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Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post

I get HD signal with an external antenna (an old UHF, that was forgotten on the roof of the building), jeje, with a little modification, where I incorporated an indoor uhf-vhf antenna, this with the purpose of get vhf channels as ABC and CBS, and it's working just fine....I capture:
6.1 CW, 8.1 CBS, 10.1 ABC, 10.15 Azteca America, 12 Televisa, 15.1 & 15.2 PBS, 28.1 & 29.1 TV Azteca, 33.1 Telemundo, 39.1-.2-.3 all NBC's, 57.1 Televisa and 69.1 Fox...maybe I will try to point the antenna in another direction to grab the 36 channels, but I'd tried that already....
 

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Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 07:27 am:   Edit Post

Ricardo, you used to receive the 36.x stations a few months ago in your area? (around Mesa de Otay). I live just a few kilometers south, southeast of mount San Antonio (Fracc. El Rubí area) and i can´t get those channels since when they´re on the air, but now i can get KSDX-DT 9.1 since last month. I have a direct line of sight with mount San Antonio and San Miguel and my antenna gets easily the rest of the stations.

Jo. According to the original coverage area when KDTF-DT applied for it´s facility construction, it reached most of Tijuana with 12.4 Kw ERP. I don´t know if that station will improve the radiation patterns to reach that coverage area that i mentioned earlier.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post

I was able to get channel 36 in both of my TVs this weekend. I hava a HDTV and a converter for my other analog TV. I get all three subchannels clear. I live in PB.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post

Yes, guys, I used to receive all the 36 subchannels more than 2 months ago, and suddenly they vanished...I live a few blocks of the point of entrance between Mexico and US in the Otay area, close to Bose's manufacturing plant...also I noticed that too, that I started receiving channel 9.1 (Estrella)...forgot to mentioned it before...but to be honest I really missed the 36's...I can still get mytv13, but only analog..they did some adjustment or something, because I used to receive them very clear...hopefully they amplify their coverage again...
 

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Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post

Ricardo, I think they concentrate to send the signal to the north-west, where is hard to get channel 17 and 36 in analog. Also, Univision and Telefutura ARE NOT allowed to broadcast in Mexico due to the Televisa exclusive rights in their programming, so I believe, they are not letting their signal to point that way. This is not fair, especially because Univision allows Televisa to broadcast in Southern California.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post

I didn't know about Televisa ban against Telefutura and Univision in Mexican territory, that's a bummer!....and another sad thing it is that maybe you're right and they are focusing on strengthen their 36.13 signal to North-West California.... :-(
 

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Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post

Mmm... if that´s the case, too bad for us. I was expecting to get these channels right in time for the next world cup, hoping to watch most of the games on o.t.a. tv. Televisa and Azteca are allowed to broadcast some of the games, but not all (thanks to Sky satellite tv).

Speaking of unfairness. There are some programs (especially movies) that run on Azteca 7 or Canal 5 nationally. Some of these programs are not allowed to be broadcast locally and have to be blocked with some alternate programming because of exlusive rights of o.t.a. tv broadcast in the U.S. including border cities.
 

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Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post

hopefully something can be changed about this...they are good channels, that give us good options to watch on O.T.A....thx everyone for your opinions and knowledge...pls keep posting if you find out something new....
 

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Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post

FCC give a new antenna path to cover on the new digital ch 51,
Which are 36.1; 36.2; 36.13.
And that is the reason why we did not get our signal in Otay Mesa anymore.
The new path is now looking for SD downtown. :-(
 

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Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post

An authorization request to FCC had been placed for channel (25). So, hopefully we will have the channels back soon.
 

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Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post

Ricardo Covarrubias wrote:
"FCC give a new antenna path to cover on the new digital ch 51, Which are 36.1; 36.2; 36.13. And that is the reason why we did not get our signal in Otay Mesa anymore. The new path is now looking for SD downtown."

That may be proposed, but where did you hear that it is now in effect ?
 

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Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post

A contact from Univision told me me about it....that's why signal hasn't return, they changed antenna path by FCC request...hopes on channel 25...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post

I think it's more likely you get a weak signal because the old antenna is not now peaked for RF 51 or the terminals where it connects to the line need cleaning. In any case, do you have the UHF antenna going into a UHF/VHF combiner before going into your TV set ?

K63EN also has a request to use RF 25, but again it's just a proposal.

(Message edited by JoeM on March 17, 2010)
 

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Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post

JoeM, do you get the signal?...where do you live in San Diego?...because I even get VHF channels (ABC and CBS, also get TV Azteca America) since I attached the rabbit ears antenna (VHF-UHF) to the Outdoor UHF antenna...the signal from the UHF-VHF antenna and outdoor UHF antenna come with independent cables into a 2 way connector from one side, and one connector in the other side where I have connected the cable that feed my SDTV box...I used to received 36 subchannels with this same UHF antenna before, nice and clear...

(Message edited by rikkiblakk on March 17, 2010)
 

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Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post

I wrote VHF outdoor antenna in my last post by mistake, I meant UHF outdoor antenna...
 

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Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post

Do anyone pick channel 61.1?, TVfool.com give the same position of the antenna of channel 36.1....it has to be the same source...., but I can not get that channel neither, even though it's only about 10 miles from my place.....
 

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Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post

K61GH is currently on analog channel 69 (K69JC). It has an approved construction permit on channel 50 (K50LL-D). It's currently awaiting delivery of its new transmitter, which is expected sometime next month at the earliest.

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?conte xt=25&appn=101358442&formid=911&fac_num=56830

You can find station information here:
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html

or here:
http://www.fccinfo.com
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 09:34 am:   Edit Post

Just out curiosity, when PB and Clairemont viewers start receiving the 36 subchannels in your area?
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post

Around 3PM, 12 June 2009.
http://hdtv.forsandiego.com/messages/1/7546.html?1254084641
 

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Posted on Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post

Thxs, Jo, I guess since June 12, 2009, you had been covered, and I think this Otay area too (until a little more than 2 months ago), but I just bought my STDV coverter box a few months ago...so, only explanation at this time, it's the new pointing direction of the station's antenna....if someone have a friend or relative that live around here, they could confirm this lack of signal...thxs...
 

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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 07:50 am:   Edit Post

I have cable, and don't use the converter very often, except for the mexican channels. I watched channel 36 for first time, like five months ago. Then, the signal was weak again, and was able once in a while, only. Now, I have watched the channel better, since a month ago.
 

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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post

Yeap, they changed antenna direction :-( . I include confirmation:

Hello Ricardo,

We recently modified our antenna direction and that should’ve affected your reception. Unfortunately, TVfool.com database hasn’t been updated yet. We apologize for any inconvenience.

Héctor Gallegos
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Posted on Friday, March 19, 2010 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post

"We recently modified our antenna direction and that should’ve affected your reception. Unfortunately, TVfool.com database hasn’t been updated yet."

That's awfully vague. One would expect something more specific from the "Engineering Dept". They could have stated their new bearing so we would know how it differs from their "old" one (which has been listed as 240°).
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post

36.1 is now 1080i. World Cup games will be in HD.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post

Nice.

Incidentally, anyone have a tip on the best way to get info about what the broadcast schedule will be like for 36.1 during the World Cup, for those of us whose Spanish/Spanish-language-googling-skills aren't that great?

Am I right that these aren't being broadcast on any OTA English-language channels in the area?
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post

Univision will be the only station showing the games free OTA. Most will be in HD on 36-1. A few games will be shown on Telefutura 36-2.

http://futbol.univision.com/fifacopamundial/calendario

ESPN will be showing the games on various platforms and in different languages.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/fixtures

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/453235-ESPN_Makes_Multiplatform_Push_fo r_World_Cup.php
 

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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post

I wonder if KBNT has encoder issues, because I see some digital tiling, but when watching on ABC/ESPN, totally clear.
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Set Top Box: Motorola DCX 3400 HD DVR connected via 6' Apple HDMI cable.
 

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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post

I dont think its a local problem. On the AVS forums, I've read about the same issue from viewers in other cities.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post

JimboG: Saw on the other thread you mentioned TiVo lineup changes for 36-1 and 36-2. Perhaps this was initiated by me (I requested such for my TiVo via their customer support early last week). I didn't think they made wholesale changes to whole regions, but whaddya know.

I subsequently reported the error (as I can see it at least) last Friday: that they have 36-1 and 36-2 mapped to RF channel 36, rather than RF channel 51. Had a similar issue when I asked them to add 36-13 earlier this year (had to ask twice and give them the RF number the second time). I only requested 36-1 and 36-2 lineups because of the World Cup, so I don't know how they picked up lineups for the other Spanish-language OTAs... may be another requester or just related.

Anyway, it's been about 3 business days since that last request for fix, and they promise 5-7 day turnaround, so the lineup should be fixed within a couple of days, for me. Hoping it's the same situation for everyone. Once it's fixed for me, I'll mention it here so others can check if it's been fixed for them too.
 

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Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post

DG La Mesa,

Thank you very much for taking the initiative to get the digital versions of Univision, Telemundo, and My Network TV added to Tivo's lineup in San Diego. I saw that this digital multiplex had come up on RF channel 51, but I figured that I should give it a little time before the PSIP and broadcast power all got worked out.

It seems like Tribune and Tivo have a bogus entry for 10-2 that doesn't exist as well. Perhaps the World Cup and the recent power increases south of the border might stabilize things enough that we can get Tribune to iron things out with the over the air program guide.

Perhaps a bit off topic, but does anyone know when UCSD will launch their low power digital TV channel?
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post

Hi all. I live in Encinitas, close to the intersection of Encinitas Blv and El Camino Real, 240 ft above sea level. I have tried an Eagle Aspen Dtv2Buhf Directv 2-Bay Uhf Antenna and a Silver Sensor with both the TV receiver and a DVICO Fusion HDTV PVR pointing it in several directions, mainly south. Digital and analog automatic scans produce zero results. All I want is to be able to watch the soccer world cup on Univision in HD... Should I give up? Thank you in advance for any help ;-)
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post

Filippo: You live too far away from Univision San Diego digital signal origin. It is impossible for you to get ch 36 at this time. There is more chance for you to get KMEX ch 34 from Los Angeles. Try 34.1 Univision L.A.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post

Jesus, thank you. I will try that and let you know.
Do you know what is the calculated LOS range of the 36.1 Univision transmitter? I am italian and I'll go for Mexico today. Hasta Mexico!!!
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 10:07 am:   Edit Post

Hi everyone.
This is strange. I live in Mira Mesa at the corner Calle Cristobal and Camino Ruiz and I can get Univision, Telefutura and LATV in channel 38.1, 38.2 and 38.3 (not 36.1, 36.2, 36.3) with the coat hanger antenna (instruction from Youtube) in the closet. I sometime loss the signal during the game at 7:00 a.m, but the signal is better around noon. I also get some of these channel on other TV in the house using CHANNEL MASTER 2-BAY UHF HDTV ANTENNA mounting outside 12 feet above the ground.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post

Filippo:
Enter your address at tvfool.com to see which stations are stronger in your area. You might be able to get XHAS-DT 33.1 with a Channel Master 4-bay bowtie antenna (and maybe an amplifier). 2-bays and indoor antennas have less gain.
 

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Posted on Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post

I live in Sabre Springs area (15 & 56 freeways, close to Poway). Traditionally havent been able to get Univision 36 channels, but with amplified antenna at the attic pointing in the right direction, I get Televisa 57 (Tijuana) and they are broadcasting a good number of the World Cup games in HD. You may want to try as an alternative.
I also get a few LA channels (5 and 63) without really pointing the antenna anywhere else. Havent tried, but maybe pointing it correctly may help getting Univision LA (KMEX). Distance is further but path is less obstructive than signals coming from TJ for people in Encinitas, Carlsbad, etc.
 

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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2010 - 07:58 am:   Edit Post

Vo: Those Telefutura channels are from L.A.
Unfortunelly, XHAS uses channel 34.1 in Tijuana / San DIego and that may interference with Univision 34.1 Los Angeles.
 

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Posted on Friday, June 18, 2010 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post

Is it me, or did Univision fix the pixelation issues? It looks much better. Looked really good today.
Cable Provider: Time Warner Cable (North San Diego County, in Carlsbad)

TV: 40" Sony BRAVIA KDL-40s4100 LCD HDTV.
Set Top Box: Motorola DCX 3400 HD DVR connected via 6' Apple HDMI cable.

TV: 32" LCD HDTV from Sylvania
Set Top Box: Motorola DCX 3400 HD DVR connected via 6' Apple HDMI cable.
 

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Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2010 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post

JoeM, thank you very much for your helpful reference. From TVFool it would seem that I should get several SD and LA channels both digital (10 of them are GREEN) and analog. The TOTAL silence of my receivers at this point is disconcerting. I am going to do some more checking on the antenna cables but I have already tried with different ones. Any hint on how this could be happening?
 

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Posted on Friday, June 25, 2010 - 11:02 pm:   Edit Post

Vo Danh:

The station you're seeing on 38-1, 38-2, and 38-3 is KPMR-DT in Santa Barbara.

- Trip
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post

Quick update. My last post (June 16, 2010) indicated I was trying to get TiVo to get their listings right for 36-1 and 36-2.

Well, that's still pending. And when I called TiVo, they said it's a Tribune Media Services problem (their feeds show the wrong RF channel). They have people supposedly working with them on it.

Now that the World Cup is long over, and the thrill of actually getting something fixed quickly has passed, I'm not as psyched to continue following up. So if someone else wants to lodge a new ticket with TiVo or TMS, please do, especially if you watch these stations frequently on your OTA-only TiVo.

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